Just like the title says. Feminism has given women privileges without responsibility, and men are left with no choice but to pick up the slack. It's not fair, it's not "equal rights" and I won't stay quiet about it.
Sunday, January 6, 2008
Blog Move
This blog has been moved. I still have some history to move over - posts and comments from most of 2007 - but I've imported all the current stuff over there, and it's my new base of operations.
See you there!
53 comments:
Anonymous
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You are an absolute scab who only derides and degrades herself with such nonesense. All to achieve male approval? Is that the only way you define yourself? I love men.I have a great partner and a beautiful son. I also happen to be finishing a university degree, which I made the decision to do in order to give my wonderful family a better quality of life. I work so hard every day for the men I love and respect, but I demand and deserve respect in return as an equal.Not as a gender. As a person. But you? Women like you are worse than bigots. Did you have to ask a man to unhook your Burka so you could write the blog? Did you make sure and ask him nicely? Go and develop some respect for yourself and then maybe you wont need to drop to such a level to win male respect in the future, you are truly vile.
To the anonimous above: You fail to understand the work of KellyMac, Im from Portugal and let me tell you the universeties in here are vagina-vocational-centres that give useless degrees to women, who go to corporations and do nothing usefull.
Also a lot of men have opened their eyes and are staying out of marriage.
Women here are also realizing the consequences of their atitude and are gradualy changing, remember you can be a corporate ceo but for a man that is not of much use.
KellyMac I have enjoyed reading your blog for the past few months, please tell me how can i contact you I would like correspond with you and change ideias.
I think your attitude demonstrates a remarkable ignorance of the historical struggles that have enabled you to live your life as you do. Which is a great shame.
To paraphrase British journalist Julie Burchill - any woman who says she isn't a feminist should be summarily stripped of her right to vote (since this right was won for her by feminist activism) her right to recourse to the law if she is raped by her partner (since rape within marriage was not recognised as a category until terrifyingly recently, and again you have feminists to thank for the change) her right to work without seeking permission from a male relative and to hold a bank account (ditto), her right to receive the same pay as a man for doing the same work (ditto, except this is STILL unachieved and feminist campaigning for it is on-going) her right to an abortion if she judges herself either unable or unwilling to bring a child into the world and care for it (ditto), and her right to legal protection against violence regardless of who perpetrates said violence (see laws and common police practice on domestic abuse until VERY recently). Additionally, said woman, on rejecting feminism, should be barred from attending a university (or if she attends should be barred from earning a valid degree), and should under no circumstances be permitted to become a lawyer, an accountant or a doctor. Oh yeah, and should have no right to a career in the armed forces, the fire service or the police.
Feminists fought, suffered and in some cases died so that you could take the constellation of rights above for granted. It's very sad that you are either so uninformed or so bitterly prejudiced that you are unable to acknowledge and feel pride in or gratitude for their sacrifices.
I'd suggest you take a couple of years sabbatical in some part of the world where these rights are still largely non-existent for women, say Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, in the hope that you might come back with a more informed, compassionate and balanced view., and maybe rename your blog.
Go away and learn to spell, and to make coherent sense in English (your post for Feb 3rd is appalling on both counts) and we might have a conversation. Though intelligent discourse doesn't appear (as near as I can make out from your English) what you are interested in.
Simon is Portugese. In Portugal, their first language is not English. I understood Simon perfectly well, although maybe you didn't, as all you could come up with was to insult his English.
When you can do it in Portugese, then maybe I'll be impressed. I doubt it, but anything's possible.
By the way, why don't you come over to the new blog?
No hablo ni se insultar en portugues, pero en espanol si (perdone la falta de enya y acentos, mi teclado no los tiene). Asi que:
"ahem, Simon, eres un jilipollas de mucho cuidado y de todas maneras yo no dirigia mis comentarios a ti, ni me interesa hacerlo".
Esto sera suficiente?
With a bit of time and a dictionary for back up, I could probably do it in French and German too. However, that's not really the point. Simon got the response from me he deserved. I posted a polite and, I hope, constructive comment addressed to you and concerning your site. Simon chose to ignore what I actually said and unload on me with a couple of random insults instead. I took him out of the loop because he doesn't interest me, and I did it with invective because that seems to be the level he likes to operates on.
However, since you say you do understand him, perhaps you could gloss a couple of his sentences for me. What do these actually mean:
"the universeties in here are vagina-vocational-centres that give useless degrees to women, who go to corporations and do nothing usefull."
"remember you can be a corporate ceo but for a man that is not of much use."
richard, I do understand that your post was well-meaning, and for that reason I will be gentle when I correct your misapprehensions. I am working on a post doing so, but unfortunately I do not have as much time as I would like to spend on writing, especially at this time of year.
To answer your questions:
"the universeties in here are vagina-vocational-centres that give useless degrees to women, who go to corporations and do nothing usefull."
He means that our institutions of higher education, (actually it's ALL of our institutions of public education), actively support a feminist agenda in teaching both academics and the socially acceptable. The useless degrees he speaks of I suspect are mainly the ones in Women's Studies, although he isn't entirely correct as men also take that degree. About the corporations I think he's talking about Affirmative Action being employed to hire more women and minorities, rather than the candidates most qualified. Then, the qualified must cover for the unqualified.
"remember you can be a corporate ceo but for a man that is not of much use."
(Please forgive the use of capitals - I'm having a hard time getting italics out of this interface.)
That's a remarkably kindly and selective interpretation, KellyMac, as I'm sure you must be aware.
To me, Simon's contention appears to be that ALL universities in Portugal are UTTERLY given over to the mass production of "useless" degrees for women, i.e: that by definition any degree given to a woman is useless - does this include all the women who gain MBAs and qualifications in engineering or medicine, one wonders? Or aren't there any of those? And would a degree in, say, Literature and Political Philosophy, be less useless if it was held by a man? Or is Simon merely incoherent with rage?
Likewise, it appears (pace Simon) that ALL women graduates who go on to work in a corporate environment contribute "nothing" to their workplace. Now I've worked corporate on and off, in various countries, and one thing I know is that your chances of surviving in a corporate environment if you "do nothing" are not high. So - it's just more massive hysterical generalisation and incoherent rage, I fear.
As to the comment on being a female CEO and its lack of usefulness "for a man", I have the inescapable impression that what Simon is really saying is that a woman's value "for a man" resides in her ability to provide him (and society) with very different services to those offered by top level management. I leave you to imagine what, in Simon's mind, those other services would involve. Of course, the idea that a woman might want a CEO job (just like a man) for her OWN satisfaction, rather than the gratification of the nearest male doesn't seemed to have occurred to him.
Simon in short comes across as the kind of man whose problems are only going to be solved by popping him into a time machine and shunting him back to the era of Ghengis Khan, where one presumes he would be happy with the role women played. Failing that he could always be given a Kalashnikov and airdropped into Kandahar. (I'd say without a parachute, but that would be unnecessarily bitchy :-) ). While there are men with this mindset around in large numbers, feminism still has a great deal of (constructive, not radfem ideological) work to do
Meanwhile, I look forward sincerely to reading your reply to my first post when you have time to complete it.
Richard Morgan said in the longest sentence I've ever seen... To paraphrase British journalist Julie Burchill - any woman who says she isn't a feminist should be summarily stripped of her right to vote (since this right was won for her by feminist activism)...
Sounds very balanced. You only get to vote IF you kowtow to a particular ideology? Where have we heard that sort of thing before?
So Richard how many women died to win freedom and democracy in the first place? When did men first win universal franchise? Do you know? Did you know women voted in the US as early as 1796 when gender was NOT a determining factor? Did you know that after Emily Pankhurst did her suffragette thing she then set about ensuring that mens' right to vote was dependant on their being willing to fight and die for their country? Look up Emily, the "white feather" and conscription. All round feminist hero who took it upon herself to go out shaming boys into going to places like the Somme to protect her fat backside.
...her right to recourse to the law if she is raped by her partner (since rape within marriage was not recognised as a category until terrifyingly recently, and again you have feminists to thank for the change)...
I was raped as a child by a woman. It was legal and remained so until less than ten years ago. Recent enough for you? New Zealand made it a crime only two years ago.
In actual fact there are significantly more men raped, many on a daily basis, than women.
Oh, and check out the Brewster DV Centre which protected a woman who raped a child in one of their refuges.
US feminists had significant influence in the framing of Mexico's current domestic violence laws which have effectively removed the right to consent from men as of twelve months ago. I'd suggest you take your own right to consent a bit more seriously. You may lose it.
...her right to work without seeking permission from a male relative...
Rubbish. In my country - Australia - this was NEVER the case. The fact is that women have always worked. Modern feminism is a creation of the most idle, the most privileged group of human beings who have ever lived - white western women. No class of human has ever existed which has had less expected of it. The tragic irony of it is that feminism is striving for even less than that.
...and to hold a bank account (ditto),...
As above. Complete falsehood. The restrictions that did exist related to credit/loans to spouses where the husband was always made to be the responible party. My grandmother was able to get a business loan on her own before the second world war.
...her right to receive the same pay as a man for doing the same work (ditto, except this is STILL unachieved and feminist campaigning for it is on-going)...
Equal pay is, and has been, a reality throughout the west since the seventies. The gap we are presented with regularly by feminists is primarily a gap in hours worked. In my work I see the complete income detail for thousands of people every year. THERE IS NO PAY GAP.
...her right to an abortion if she judges herself either unable or unwilling to bring a child into the world and care for it (ditto),...
Again a right since the seventies. There are probably very few fertile woman alive in the western world who could ever have been denied an abortion. Meanwhile men have no real rights in determining whether they become a parent or not. They can also be forced to take financial responsibility for children not their own. Boys who are raped by women are forced to pay child support to their rapist.
...and her right to legal protection against violence regardless of who perpetrates said violence (see laws and common police practice on domestic abuse until VERY recently).
What are you actually talking about here? Is it "regardless of who perpetrates" or is it partner violence you are referencing? If it's "regardless" they have exactly the same protections if not more than men. If it's partner violence they have almost exclusive protection. Protection which seems unavailable to men at all for the most part.
Where is the equivalent protection for men? Where are the services for men? Current police practice in the US, as mandated by feminists weilding VAWA money like a club, demands that the man be arrested even if he is the victim - a fate experienced by a quarter of male victims you should note. Significant recent research demonstrates that women are responsible for at least half of intimate partner abuse and, even including sexual abuse, the large majority of child abuse. If children are included in the equation women commit the majority of domestic violence.
Additionally, said woman, on rejecting feminism, should be barred from attending a university (or if she attends should be barred from earning a valid degree), and should under no circumstances be permitted to become a lawyer, an accountant or a doctor. Oh yeah, and should have no right to a career in the armed forces, the fire service or the police.
Excuse me? Feminists did not win university entrance for women or the right to earn a degree. They did not win women the right to enter the professions. Those rights existed. Women WERE denied entry to the armed forces but have never been compelled to enlist as are men. Other emergency services NEVER denied women access. Feminist advocacy resulted in the lowering of standards to accommodate more women which has the net effect of making all of us, yourself included, less safe.
Feminists fought, suffered and in some cases died so that you could take the constellation of rights above for granted.
You have evidence of feminists dying because of their feminism? Present it here. Then we should move on to enumerate the men who have died throughout history to create those rights and freedoms in the first place.
It's very sad that you are either so uninformed or so bitterly prejudiced that you are unable to acknowledge and feel pride in or gratitude for their sacrifices.
What sacrifices were these? Their actions over forty years have been no different to those of any other activist, advocacy or lobby groups. And I dont remember crowds of them being machine gunned or run over by tanks.
It's very sad that you have been taken in by feminist revisionism which amounts to a kindergarten level evaluation of history.
I'd suggest you take a couple of years sabbatical in some part of the world where these rights are still largely non-existent for women, say Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, in the hope that you might come back with a more informed, compassionate and balanced view., and maybe rename your blog.
Ah...I'd mistakenly believed you were dicussing western women. After all you were praising feminism, largely inaccurately, for winning all those western rights those Islamic cultures deny women(Of course you pick Islam. They are, after all, the enemy-de-jeur. All the best wartime propaganda relies on "what the evil enemy will do to womenfolk".) How do you stand on the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan by the way?
I'd suggest you apply a bit of rational scepticism to the ideology. Don't take my word for anything. But please, also, don't just simply believe what feminism promotes. Ask yourself from time to time "What if they're wrong?"
Here's a challenge for you. Provide an example of feminist advocacy in the past twenty five years that was not demanding different treatment based on gender.
Richard Morgan said... To Simon:
I wasn't talking to you, fuckwit.
Go away and learn to spell, and to make coherent sense in English (your post for Feb 3rd is appalling on both counts) and we might have a conversation. Though intelligent discourse doesn't appear (as near as I can make out from your English) what you are interested in.
This from a person who just previous to that put together a one hundred and sixty eight word sentence. Even on a good day I couldn't manage that.
I'm very sorry you were sexually abused, gwallan, it's a horrific thing for anyone to suffer, but it doesn't give you a pass where logic is concerned. The fact of your sexual abuse doesn't refute my point about spousal rape. Nor does the fact that Pankhurst was a militant (and clearly misguided) patriot negate the justice of the suffragettes' cause. William Wilberforce campaigned to abolish slavery; he also furiously resisted legal initiatives to humanise working practices in British factories including his own. This latter fact does not make slavery any more acceptable, or its abolition any less admirable a cause.
For the rest, your post is a patchwork of similar non sequiturs, wildly generalised assertions, personal anecdote and simple lies (or possibly simple ignorance) sewn together with our old pal incoherent rage. A few brief examples to back that up:
On the right to work without male permission, you state:
"Rubbish. In my country - Australia - this was NEVER the case."
Well, bully for Australia. In Spain (a significant western nation you may have heard of), it WAS the case well into the post war era. See how your own personal experience doesn't cover the whole planet?
On equal pay:
"Equal pay is, and has been, a reality throughout the west since the seventies.... THERE IS NO PAY GAP."
Again, false. I live in a city (Glasgow, UK) whose council is one among many teetering on the brink of bankruptcy because the European Court has handed down a judgement that all cases where women have (illegally) received lesser remuneration for equal duties must be paid out. The list of women so treated runs into tens, possibly hundreds of thousands, the elapsed periods of failure to comply are of years, sometimes decades, and the amounts of money add up to millions, possibly billions. See how the paperwork you handle in your job doesn't cover the whole planet? And of course, your comment also begs the question of what was going on BEFORE the seventies, and how the legal changes were brought about (by feminist activism, as I believe I stated).
On feminism itself:
"Modern feminism is a creation of the most idle, the most privileged group of human beings who have ever lived - white western women."
Heard of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, have you? Angela Davis? Alice Walker? Pat Parker? Arundhati Roy? Irshad Manji? (Do I need to list every significant feminist whose skin is not white?) Or is it just that none of them live in Australia, pass by you in your work, or were friends with your grandmother?
On abortion:
"Again a right since the seventies. There are probably very few fertile woman alive in the western world who could ever have been denied an abortion."
In Ireland (another significant western nation you may have heard of), it is STILL extremely difficult for a woman to obtain an abortion - most choose to leave the country and have the procedure in the UK. A recent high profile case involved a legal attempt by Irish authorities to prevent a young woman from travelling for this very purpose. And again, the fact these freedoms have been become more readily available in some countries since the seventies does not negate the fact that before that period, they weren't, or that it was feminists who spearheaded the campaign to make those changes.
On university entry for women:
"Feminists did not win university entrance for women or the right to earn a degree. They did not win women the right to enter the professions. Those rights existed.'
Eh? Those rights existed WHEN? Since Magna Carta? Since the US Declaration of Independence? Since the Garden of Eden? Those rights did NOT exist for women until the nineteenth (for a very lucky few) and twentieth centuries. Since universities have existed in Europe since around the end of the first millenium, that's some fucking lag.
Couple of other things:
"Ah...I'd mistakenly believed you were discussing western women."
Well, yes, your mistake. Read the post first. Brain in gear, then open mouth.
"After all you were praising feminism, largely inaccurately, for winning all those western rights those Islamic cultures deny women(Of course you pick Islam. They are, after all, the enemy-de-jeur. All the best wartime propaganda relies on "what the evil enemy will do to womenfolk"."
Enemy-de-jour. Uhm - so there IS no abuse of women's rights in those countries? Or there is but I shouldn't criticise it? Poor picked upon Islamic culture? Or is it that you kind of like the way they handle their womenfolk there? Your point is.....what, exactly?
And finally - you erudite thing, you - we come to the great universal suffrage experiments of the newly independent US that you mention. Well, what about those rights? Repealed and abolished before the century was out, and only regained after a further century or more (depending on state) of bitter feminist struggle. Some would say (though I don't necessarily) that this reversal represents a MORE savage indictment of male dominated society than the slow but unreversed progress towards suffrage elsewhere. And it's worth pointing out that during this period New Jersey also gave suffrage to black citizens, but that didn't last either, and I don't think anyone would use the bare fact that it happened to claim that the civil rights movement and black activism in the twentieth century was in some way invalid. Or perhaps you would - it's hard to tell.
Like I said, I'm really sorry you've suffered, man. But that won't write you a ticket to bend my ear with incoherent bollocks.
Never speak spanish to a portuguese its insulting, if you want to know, study portuguese history.
Femenism is a social engeniering tool to create instability and cause change in society to serve a certain agenda, its a political idea its anti-natura, agaisnt nature because it tries to forcebly change natural gender roles, "femanisme" is lesbianism concealed, it tries to induce women into unnatural roles to their condition:
“Woman is a violent and uncontrolled animal, and it is useless to let go the reins and then expect her not to kick over the traces. You must keep her on a tight rein . . . Women want total freedom or rather - to call things by their names - total license. If you allow them to achieve complete equality with men, do you think they will be easier to live with? Not at all. Once they have achieved equality, they will be your masters . . .” — Cato the Elder 234-149 B.C. quoted in Livy’s ‘History of Rome’.
The ancients already knew this.
Nature does not change because the calendar changes or because we have computers or hitech gadgets to make our life easy.
Women today are being denied their natural rights, to have a family, to care for husband and sons.
Today women are free only to harm themselves.
The "politicaly correct" term was created in the 1920s in the soviet union to put everyone thinking the same way and create "equality" "acceptance" and "tolerance" try to give diferent opinion and you will lose your job, your house and jailed without trial.
Femanism was created to serve a political agenda that slouly is showing its real face, and its not pretty.
The islamic world knows what is happening and they dont want the same chaos we have in their homes.
I know a few islamics men and women and let me tell you, the women are not "slaves" as they are portraid in the media, they are highly inteligent and cult and traditional women who help their husbands and being their best friend and companion.
Islamic women are women of faith , some choose to ware th hijab, cover themselves to protect themselves and maintain their dignity and faith, they do not behave as their western sisters, they behave with honor and are ladies in the true sense of the word.
With regard to Simon.......I rest my case. Behold his true colours. Looks like he'll need that time machine I mentioned, but set even further back, for ancient Rome. Or maybe the Kandahar airdrop thing would work - he seems kind of keen on purdah.
Good to see him come clean about what he wants from the other half of humanity. I admit I didn't expect the mask to come off so easily or quickly. But I'm afraid I find it rather hard to stomach the company of barbarians, even honest ones, so I'm off.
I do wonder, KellyMac, how many other fans of your site will resemble Simon once you scratch the surface, or if you now see the extent to which you're swimming with sharks. Watch your back!
Whether you are against feminism because of the damage feminists cause to families, the staggering array of entitlements and special protections provided by feminists lobbying corrupt politicians and judges, or because you have ethical concerns about the fourth-class citizenship bestowed upon men.........
......... you have my interest, KellyMac.
And for the record, I had to laugh at the mindless vitriol spewed by "anonymous" whose claim that she "loves men" is a bit at odds with her apparent dislike for women like yourself who ACTUALLY "love men".
My guess is that she's just another man-hater, indoctrinated by the feminazis.
"You are an absolute scab who only derides and degrades herself with such nonesense. All to achieve male approval? Is that the only way you define yourself? I love men.I have a great partner and a beautiful son. I also happen to be finishing a university degree, which I made the decision to do in order to give my wonderful family a better quality of life. I work so hard every day for the men I love and respect, but I demand and deserve respect in return as an equal.Not as a gender. As a person. But you? Women like you are worse than bigots. Did you have to ask a man to unhook your Burka so you could write the blog? Did you make sure and ask him nicely? Go and develop some respect for yourself and then maybe you wont need to drop to such a level to win male respect in the future, you are truly vile."
This post drips with bigoted hatred - although the person writing it probably thinks they are quite "enlightened." What a horror this woman must be to live with. I bet she must go through a lot of "D" batteries, if you catch my drift, as no man worth his salt would have anything to do with this shrill harpy.
"Feminists fought, suffered and in some cases died so that you could take the constellation of rights above for granted. It's very sad that you are either so uninformed or so bitterly prejudiced that you are unable to acknowledge and feel pride in or gratitude for their sacrifices."
Another man hating bigot - this time a man!
How many MEN have died for women? I'm sure in the eyes of this ballless wimp, they don't count. Hey jackass, did it ever occur to you that as "feminism" has grown, the USA has gone increasingly into a downward spiral? The USA needs her men now more than ever, but you've gone on permanent vacation.
I am not native English speaker, but I see, that critics of this blog understand less than me. Critics arguments are schematic and aim target teached before by some ideologists which target probably newer exist. Thay fight against opinions never presented on this blogs, and theirs own opinions are vague like "do you know what was going on for centures" (lest say I don't: than I didnt learn it from local oponents) "do you know how woman struggled for rights" (lest say I don't: than I didnt learn it from local oponents).
Than you for this blog, I thing you are more masculist than antifeminist and we nead you and people like you so much. :-)
I am not native English speaker, but I see, that critics of this blog understand less than me. Critics arguments are schematic and aim target teached before by some ideologists which target probably newer exist. Thay fight against opinions never presented on this blogs, and theirs own opinions are vague like "do you know what was going on for centures" (lest say I don't: than I didnt learn it from local oponents) "do you know how woman struggled for rights" (lest say I don't: than I didnt learn it from local oponents).
Than you for this blog, I thing you are more masculist than antifeminist and we nead you and people like you so much. :-)
Anybody else getting sick of condescending feminists who believe their view is the only one that is "socially just"? The unmitigated hubris of this pseudo-intellectual set is truly staggering.
I mean, where else will you find a "smart" guy that refuses to see what's right in front of his face, only after being told it's true by Academics or Statisticians can a point be held valid.
Bullshit.
Mexican men no longer have the right to refuse women sex, refusal can be, and is, called "Domestic Abuse".
How do your feminist sensibilites mesh with THAT one Richard?
'cause it was brought in at the behest of a feminist lobby group.
I could keep going, but the mountain of hypocrisy coming from you would be stifling...
I'm from the german speaking part of the MRA-movement and you have my full support. It is interesting to see that the difficulties which men face today are not as transparent to all women as it seemed at the beginnning of the journey.
@ Richard: As far as I can recall is this blog about men's rights and against the man-hating part of feminism.
Oh and by the way, I'd really like to see YOUR German ...
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I agree with a lot of you stuff. As a man I believe feminism is becoming a real problem. There are a lot of loser who disagree with you. Some of them being pussy-whipped men. Men and women are part of a balance. There should be equality but in a world there is also differences and that should be respected. Women are often miserable not having courtship, etc.
I don't want to get too much into it but I admire the work you are doing.
It's sad how many women and men here didn't actually understand what the author of this blog was trying to say.
She totally approves of the strides women made this century.
She also thinks it has gone too far in some places. And in some ways men have always not been equal and that is still true.
Anonymous before this post: you disgust me and many other people. How disgraceful your attack. How ignorant your words, you clearly read nothing that is written here before jumping to conclusions about what its content.
It is a grand shame that the comments here are apparently no longer moderated. Many of them just feed the fire that is sexism while trying to do the opposite. So just trolls really.
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I would argue that you are not anti-feminist, you are against the culture of victimhood, lack of ethics, and refusing to take responsibility that has arisen around feminism. (i.e. women abuse men, not just the other way around; women may also be a destructive parent, not just men; both men and women have been known to be lazy, unethical, cruel, vindictive; if women want more financial power they must also be willing to take the corresponding additional financial responsibility; the most qualified candidate should be given the job/spot in law school/etc; both men and women should be held to standards of dress code and non-harassment at work and in life).
I think there are key feminist principles that are still important and relevant in our lives: equal pay for equal work, women having the right to have their own bank account, women not being owned by their fathers or husbands, women being able to vote, women and men being punished equally for the same wrongs - ie adultery, women being able to choose whether or not to have babies. many women in history and many women today did/do not have these things. these things are the important victories of feminism, and it's a shame that the culture of victimhood has overshadowed these victories.
Richard Morgan is your typical woman-whipped, bitch- (you can't use female, because it has female as a derivative!) indoctrinated limey-Brit fuck! I used this last four-letter word just for you Richard, because you seem to have such a fondness for it. Your comments and posts are just what I would expect from a member of the ever-increasingly unmanly class of British "males!" I can't be too tough on you, because you were probably doing your posting in the milli-second intervals you had available before another one of the approximately 20 million cameras your country employs against it's own people was trained on you! That's why your country of unmanly anus boys has been least britain for the last hundred years, instead of Great Britain! You're so prpoagandized and brain-washed by the five million man-hating "female" practitioners of cunnilingus (I'll wait while you pull out your dictionary of sexual terms, and learn to read them) that you are'nt even aware of your own precarious plight! For at least 100 years, one-world, secret-society, lesbian and homosexual jews have controlled the entire western world! They've never had the cajones to fight us in the streets, so they're trying to conquer us from within by destroying the fabric of our proud western society, culture, and heritage! After these half communist, half corpo-pirates conquer the western world, we'll all be serfs slaving on a one-world plantation which is completely ruled, dominated, and administered by women, greedy boardroom bandits, communists, lesbians, homosexuals, and other hateful and evil secret-society jews! Sixty thousand (remember, they under-count, and they never count the secret-operative K.I.A.'s) Americans died in the war in Vietnam, which was a civil war. Of those sixty thousand, eight were female! I was forced to fight in that war, under pain of somebody being forced to go in my place, court-martial, prison,or even death! Throughout history, males, not females have been forced to do most of the work, especially the hard, dirty, dangerous, and potentially fatal work. To even a pitiful victim of birth hypoxia like Richard Morgan, that should explain why men are sometimes paid more than women. When the work that men do is harder and more dangerous, is done with greater care and quality, and requires many more hours than the work done by women, don't those facts demand that men be paid more than women? Ancillary to this, but still germane, is the fact that men and boys continue to be forced to pay for everything by women and girls, and are rejected into oblivion when we raise our voices in protest! Don't these greedy, male-hating "females" believe that our male bodies, faces, company, and sexuality are as good as theirs? Yet, they continue to give only lip-service to females doing equal work, risking rejection, and paying their fair share financially on dates, and in other venues! Muslim men world-wide have seen what's happened to males in the western world. Do you think that they want that fate to befall themselves, their sons, their countries, and their Islamic religion and culture? At almost sixty, and with bad knees and eyes, I'm too sick to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan, but I hope to hell the Muslims, Taliban, and Al Quaida win! If they don't, I see only a miserable future devoid of joy and equality for all males, worldwide! By the way, Richard Morgan, Simon's English is far better than your Spanish Portuguese, which probably took you two weeks of intensive studying to learn! I guess I'll let you go. I know you're anxious to mince over to the ladies room, so that you can replace your tampon, and adjust your vagina!
Richard Morgan is your typical woman-whipped, bitch- (you can't use female, because it has female as a derivative!) indoctrinated limey-Brit fuck! I used this last four-letter word just for you Richard, because you seem to have such a fondness for it. Your comments and posts are just what I would expect from a member of the ever-increasingly unmanly class of British "males!" I can't be too tough on you, because you were probably doing your posting in the milli-second intervals you had available before another one of the approximately 20 million cameras your country employs against it's own people was trained on you! That's why your country of unmanly anus boys has been least britain for the last hundred years, instead of Great Britain! You're so prpoagandized and brain-washed by the five million man-hating "female" practitioners of cunnilingus (I'll wait while you pull out your dictionary of sexual terms, and learn to read them) that you are'nt even aware of your own precarious plight! For at least 100 years, one-world, secret-society, lesbian and homosexual jews have controlled the entire western world! They've never had the cajones to fight us in the streets, so they're trying to conquer us from within by destroying the fabric of our proud western society, culture, and heritage! After these half communist, half corpo-pirates conquer the western world, we'll all be serfs slaving on a one-world plantation which is completely ruled, dominated, and administered by women, greedy boardroom bandits, communists, lesbians, homosexuals, and other hateful and evil secret-society jews! Sixty thousand (remember, they under-count, and they never count the secret-operative K.I.A.'s) Americans died in the war in Vietnam, which was a civil war. Of those sixty thousand, eight were female! I was forced to fight in that war, under pain of somebody being forced to go in my place, court-martial, prison,or even death! Throughout history, males, not females have been forced to do most of the work, especially the hard, dirty, dangerous, and potentially fatal work. To even a pitiful victim of birth hypoxia like Richard Morgan, that should explain why men are sometimes paid more than women. When the work that men do is harder and more dangerous, is done with greater care and quality, and requires many more hours than the work done by women, don't those facts demand that men be paid more than women? Ancillary to this, but still germane, is the fact that men and boys continue to be forced to pay for everything by women and girls, and are rejected into oblivion when we raise our voices in protest! Don't these greedy, male-hating "females" believe that our male bodies, faces, company, and sexuality are as good as theirs? Yet, they continue to give only lip-service to females doing equal work, risking rejection, and paying their fair share financially on dates, and in other venues! Muslim men world-wide have seen what's happened to males in the western world. Do you think that they want that fate to befall themselves, their sons, their countries, and their Islamic religion and culture? At almost sixty, and with bad knees and eyes, I'm too sick to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan, but I hope to hell the Muslims, Taliban, and Al Quaida win! If they don't, I see only a miserable future devoid of joy and equality for all males, worldwide! By the way, Richard Morgan, Simon's English is far better than your Spanish Portuguese, which probably took you two weeks of intensive studying to learn! I guess I'll let you go. I know you're anxious to mince over to the ladies room, so that you can replace your tampon, and adjust your vagina!
I am currently in my last year of school and am to complete a personal interest project (pip) on any topic of interest. I have chosen and begun the topic: Has Feminism failed us all?
In means of ethnocentrism, bias, sexism and prejudice I research this topic without judgement of opinions etc. Merely to receive answers to the views of the modern/past generations of whether the initial goals of feminism have succeeded; yet more than that (as evidently they have, listed by R.Morgan) these are all very true and important points. Additionally, the differences in culture/countries i.e the western world are in fundamentally opposite ends of progress in equality therefore this topic is based upon the western societies.
what i would like to know, is primarily if anyone would be interested in an interview; which would be conducted over email as it is the easiest/safest way to do so.
to be considered for those who would like to contribute:
The past generations of feminist followers and leaders have proved to significantly advantage womens strive for equality. However, in this modern day has feminism (minutely-largely) began to enforce an inequality to sexes? Has feminism began to disadvantage both men and women?
some men are becoming targeted, no doubt, for 'sexism'. Like all concepts and theories feminism has a good motif, yet when MODERNLY put into practice, is it disadvantaging society as a whole?
I completely understand, such oppinions as R.Morgan; and i am in no means objecting to these conclusions. Yet it would be highly beneficial for those such as yourself to participate as i would like to dechipher whether those so strongly pro-feminism such as yourself, could see a negative affect of its modern uptaking.
for those interested in an interview you can contact me on is.gillespie@hotmail.com thank you
I love how this blog is both sexist and ageist against youth. Well done! Also, there is more than two genders and some women don't have a vagina, thanks. Still, I find that dangerous saying any woman saying she isn't a feminist should be denied rights won to her by feminists. When most people say that, they mean they aren't activists or it isn't part of their work, not that they are against feminism and wished it never existed. It's just they don't really know what it means or don't feel like they deserve the name, at least for the ladies I know.
I am a russian woman and I am surprised that at list one american woman the writer of this blog has a courage to stand up against Feminism going too far. In Russia women enjoyed equal rights and obligations with man sins October Revolution of 1917. My mom hated man, my grandmother hated man as well. For them: man are inferior beasts something like a dog, if they speak it's strange and unusual. As consequence of it Russia has the mass alcoholism, incarceration, unemployment, homelessness, terrorism, mafia, rape, domestic violence and the man expectancy of life is only 56 years old. Russian woman emigrate to the other countries with a hope to find a man to have a child with. So I did it too. At the age of 24 being disappointed enough in russian man, I left my motherland of Feminist Paradise and married an american man. He was like a Blue Prince for me for 16 years of our marriage until he was silly enough to go back from Europe to U.S. Nothing in his life he regrets more now. But unfortunately he cant go back now, he is lucked in Federal Prison as sex offender for years. His life, carrier, dignity and fatherhood destroyed for forever... and I lost my husband. And all of it happened because of the dark side of American Feminism. I am thinking to start my blog called The Dark Side of American Feminism. What do you think shall I do it ore I risk to be crucified by American Feminists?
Wow - absolutely everything you just posted was a denial of recorded historical fact, proven factual data, or a complete fabricated lie! Hahaha. You're really something else!
Your writings are brave, fact-based, interesting and a little bit of fresh air in an atmosphere so polluted with stinking man-hatred and female privilege.
It is becoming so necessary to see and hear women that do not surrender to self-indulgence and stupidity, when many men have bought the lies of self-hating.
It is a pity there is no contimuation of this blog. But thanks anyway.
You sound upset because you just got educated. Might wanna check your attitude a bit when people are delivering facts to you because your anger won't change the truth. Mind writing a rebuttal to what he said instead of your short angry reply? No? Oh, because you don't have any ground to stand on :)
Catherine McKinnon & Andrea Dworkin never made those comments about men & rape its an urban myth (look up the section about them on Myth busting website Snopes.com)
Marilyn French never said men are rapists a character in a book she wrote did
Sharon Stone said she has the power to hurt men. How is that man-hating? She never said she uses that power or wants to
Germaine Greer said men feel more comfortable in prison. Again how is that man-hating? She never said that's how it should be or she wants men in jail
Valerie Solanas is a criminal FFS. Thats like quoting Marc Lepine as an example of what the average MRA is like
You asked for pro-male feminists quotes so here are a few:
Jaclyn Friedman:GMP is promoting idea most guys are rapists this isn't only insulting, it’s untrue. Most men aren’t rapists. It’s us “scary” “radical” feminists that believe in good men
Jane Galvin Lewis: You don't have to be anti-man to be pro-woman
Betty Friedan: Men weren't really the enemy - they were fellow victims suffering
Sam Killerman: Feminism isn't misandry
Jezebel (feminist website): Most feminists don't hate men
53 comments:
You are an absolute scab who only derides and degrades herself with such nonesense. All to achieve male approval? Is that the only way you define yourself?
I love men.I have a great partner and a beautiful son. I also happen to be finishing a university degree, which I made the decision to do in order to give my wonderful family a better quality of life. I work so hard every day for the men I love and respect, but I demand and deserve respect in return as an equal.Not as a gender. As a person.
But you?
Women like you are worse than bigots. Did you have to ask a man to unhook your Burka so you could write the blog? Did you make sure and ask him nicely?
Go and develop some respect for yourself and then maybe you wont need to drop to such a level to win male respect in the future, you are truly vile.
To the anonimous above:
You fail to understand the work of KellyMac, Im from Portugal and let me tell you the universeties in here are vagina-vocational-centres that give useless degrees to women, who go to corporations and do nothing usefull.
Also a lot of men have opened their eyes and are staying out of marriage.
Women here are also realizing the consequences of their atitude and are gradualy changing, remember you can be a corporate ceo but for a man that is not of much use.
KellyMac I have enjoyed reading your blog for the past few months, please tell me how can i contact you I would like correspond with you and change ideias.
Simon Fury
KellyMac,
I think your attitude demonstrates a remarkable ignorance of the historical struggles that have enabled you to live your life as you do. Which is a great shame.
To paraphrase British journalist Julie Burchill - any woman who says she isn't a feminist should be summarily stripped of her right to vote (since this right was won for her by feminist activism) her right to recourse to the law if she is raped by her partner (since rape within marriage was not recognised as a category until terrifyingly recently, and again you have feminists to thank for the change) her right to work without seeking permission from a male relative and to hold a bank account (ditto), her right to receive the same pay as a man for doing the same work (ditto, except this is STILL unachieved and feminist campaigning for it is on-going) her right to an abortion if she judges herself either unable or unwilling to bring a child into the world and care for it (ditto), and her right to legal protection against violence regardless of who perpetrates said violence (see laws and common police practice on domestic abuse until VERY recently). Additionally, said woman, on rejecting feminism, should be barred from attending a university (or if she attends should be barred from earning a valid degree), and should under no circumstances be permitted to become a lawyer, an accountant or a doctor. Oh yeah, and should have no right to a career in the armed forces, the fire service or the police.
Feminists fought, suffered and in some cases died so that you could take the constellation of rights above for granted. It's very sad that you are either so uninformed or so bitterly prejudiced that you are unable to acknowledge and feel pride in or gratitude for their sacrifices.
I'd suggest you take a couple of years sabbatical in some part of the world where these rights are still largely non-existent for women, say Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, in the hope that you might come back with a more informed, compassionate and balanced view., and maybe rename your blog.
To R.Morgan
Another mangina/eunuch.
What do you expect from supporting a feminista agenda?
To Simon:
I wasn't talking to you, fuckwit.
Go away and learn to spell, and to make coherent sense in English (your post for Feb 3rd is appalling on both counts) and we might have a conversation. Though intelligent discourse doesn't appear (as near as I can make out from your English) what you are interested in.
To richard:
Simon is Portugese. In Portugal, their first language is not English. I understood Simon perfectly well, although maybe you didn't, as all you could come up with was to insult his English.
When you can do it in Portugese, then maybe I'll be impressed. I doubt it, but anything's possible.
By the way, why don't you come over to the new blog?
Kellymac:
No hablo ni se insultar en portugues, pero en espanol si (perdone la falta de enya y acentos, mi teclado no los tiene). Asi que:
"ahem, Simon, eres un jilipollas de mucho cuidado y de todas maneras yo no dirigia mis comentarios a ti, ni me interesa hacerlo".
Esto sera suficiente?
With a bit of time and a dictionary for back up, I could probably do it in French and German too. However, that's not really the point. Simon got the response from me he deserved. I posted a polite and, I hope, constructive comment addressed to you and concerning your site. Simon chose to ignore what I actually said and unload on me with a couple of random insults instead. I took him out of the loop because he doesn't interest me, and I did it with invective because that seems to be the level he likes to operates on.
However, since you say you do understand him, perhaps you could gloss a couple of his sentences for me. What do these actually mean:
"the universeties in here are vagina-vocational-centres that give useless degrees to women, who go to corporations and do nothing usefull."
"remember you can be a corporate ceo but for a man that is not of much use."
?
richard, I do understand that your post was well-meaning, and for that reason I will be gentle when I correct your misapprehensions. I am working on a post doing so, but unfortunately I do not have as much time as I would like to spend on writing, especially at this time of year.
To answer your questions:
"the universeties in here are vagina-vocational-centres that give useless degrees to women, who go to corporations and do nothing usefull."
He means that our institutions of higher education, (actually it's ALL of our institutions of public education), actively support a feminist agenda in teaching both academics and the socially acceptable. The useless degrees he speaks of I suspect are mainly the ones in Women's Studies, although he isn't entirely correct as men also take that degree. About the corporations I think he's talking about Affirmative Action being employed to hire more women and minorities, rather than the candidates most qualified. Then, the qualified must cover for the unqualified.
"remember you can be a corporate ceo but for a man that is not of much use."
More about Affirmative Action.
(Please forgive the use of capitals - I'm having a hard time getting italics out of this interface.)
That's a remarkably kindly and selective interpretation, KellyMac, as I'm sure you must be aware.
To me, Simon's contention appears to be that ALL universities in Portugal are UTTERLY given over to the mass production of "useless" degrees for women, i.e: that by definition any degree given to a woman is useless - does this include all the women who gain MBAs and qualifications in engineering or medicine, one wonders? Or aren't there any of those? And would a degree in, say, Literature and Political Philosophy, be less useless if it was held by a man? Or is Simon merely incoherent with rage?
Likewise, it appears (pace Simon) that ALL women graduates who go on to work in a corporate environment contribute "nothing" to their workplace. Now I've worked corporate on and off, in various countries, and one thing I know is that your chances of surviving in a corporate environment if you "do nothing" are not high. So - it's just more massive hysterical generalisation and incoherent rage, I fear.
As to the comment on being a female CEO and its lack of usefulness "for a man", I have the inescapable impression that what Simon is really saying is that a woman's value "for a man" resides in her ability to provide him (and society) with very different services to those offered by top level management. I leave you to imagine what, in Simon's mind, those other services would involve. Of course, the idea that a woman might want a CEO job (just like a man) for her OWN satisfaction, rather than the gratification of the nearest male doesn't seemed to have occurred to him.
Simon in short comes across as the kind of man whose problems are only going to be solved by popping him into a time machine and shunting him back to the era of Ghengis Khan, where one presumes he would be happy with the role women played. Failing that he could always be given a Kalashnikov and airdropped into Kandahar. (I'd say without a parachute, but that would be unnecessarily bitchy :-) ). While there are men with this mindset around in large numbers, feminism still has a great deal of (constructive, not radfem ideological) work to do
Meanwhile, I look forward sincerely to reading your reply to my first post when you have time to complete it.
Richard Morgan said in the longest sentence I've ever seen...
To paraphrase British journalist Julie Burchill - any woman who says she isn't a feminist should be summarily stripped of her right to vote (since this right was won for her by feminist activism)...
Sounds very balanced. You only get to vote IF you kowtow to a particular ideology? Where have we heard that sort of thing before?
So Richard how many women died to win freedom and democracy in the first place? When did men first win universal franchise? Do you know? Did you know women voted in the US as early as 1796 when gender was NOT a determining factor? Did you know that after Emily Pankhurst did her suffragette thing she then set about ensuring that mens' right to vote was dependant on their being willing to fight and die for their country? Look up Emily, the "white feather" and conscription. All round feminist hero who took it upon herself to go out shaming boys into going to places like the Somme to protect her fat backside.
...her right to recourse to the law if she is raped by her partner (since rape within marriage was not recognised as a category until terrifyingly recently, and again you have feminists to thank for the change)...
I was raped as a child by a woman. It was legal and remained so until less than ten years ago. Recent enough for you? New Zealand made it a crime only two years ago.
In actual fact there are significantly more men raped, many on a daily basis, than women.
Oh, and check out the Brewster DV Centre which protected a woman who raped a child in one of their refuges.
US feminists had significant influence in the framing of Mexico's current domestic violence laws which have effectively removed the right to consent from men as of twelve months ago. I'd suggest you take your own right to consent a bit more seriously. You may lose it.
...her right to work without seeking permission from a male relative...
Rubbish. In my country - Australia - this was NEVER the case. The fact is that women have always worked. Modern feminism is a creation of the most idle, the most privileged group of human beings who have ever lived - white western women. No class of human has ever existed which has had less expected of it. The tragic irony of it is that feminism is striving for even less than that.
...and to hold a bank account (ditto),...
As above. Complete falsehood. The restrictions that did exist related to credit/loans to spouses where the husband was always made to be the responible party. My grandmother was able to get a business loan on her own before the second world war.
...her right to receive the same pay as a man for doing the same work (ditto, except this is STILL unachieved and feminist campaigning for it is on-going)...
Equal pay is, and has been, a reality throughout the west since the seventies. The gap we are presented with regularly by feminists is primarily a gap in hours worked. In my work I see the complete income detail for thousands of people every year. THERE IS NO PAY GAP.
...her right to an abortion if she judges herself either unable or unwilling to bring a child into the world and care for it (ditto),...
Again a right since the seventies. There are probably very few fertile woman alive in the western world who could ever have been denied an abortion. Meanwhile men have no real rights in determining whether they become a parent or not. They can also be forced to take financial responsibility for children not their own. Boys who are raped by women are forced to pay child support to their rapist.
...and her right to legal protection against violence regardless of who perpetrates said violence (see laws and common police practice on domestic abuse until VERY recently).
What are you actually talking about here? Is it "regardless of who perpetrates" or is it partner violence you are referencing? If it's "regardless" they have exactly the same protections if not more than men. If it's partner violence they have almost exclusive protection. Protection which seems unavailable to men at all for the most part.
Where is the equivalent protection for men? Where are the services for men? Current police practice in the US, as mandated by feminists weilding VAWA money like a club, demands that the man be arrested even if he is the victim - a fate experienced by a quarter of male victims you should note. Significant recent research demonstrates that women are responsible for at least half of intimate partner abuse and, even including sexual abuse, the large majority of child abuse. If children are included in the equation women commit the majority of domestic violence.
Additionally, said woman, on rejecting feminism, should be barred from attending a university (or if she attends should be barred from earning a valid degree), and should under no circumstances be permitted to become a lawyer, an accountant or a doctor. Oh yeah, and should have no right to a career in the armed forces, the fire service or the police.
Excuse me? Feminists did not win university entrance for women or the right to earn a degree. They did not win women the right to enter the professions. Those rights existed. Women WERE denied entry to the armed forces but have never been compelled to enlist as are men. Other emergency services NEVER denied women access. Feminist advocacy resulted in the lowering of standards to accommodate more women which has the net effect of making all of us, yourself included, less safe.
Feminists fought, suffered and in some cases died so that you could take the constellation of rights above for granted.
You have evidence of feminists dying because of their feminism? Present it here. Then we should move on to enumerate the men who have died throughout history to create those rights and freedoms in the first place.
It's very sad that you are either so uninformed or so bitterly prejudiced that you are unable to acknowledge and feel pride in or gratitude for their sacrifices.
What sacrifices were these? Their actions over forty years have been no different to those of any other activist, advocacy or lobby groups. And I dont remember crowds of them being machine gunned or run over by tanks.
It's very sad that you have been taken in by feminist revisionism which amounts to a kindergarten level evaluation of history.
I'd suggest you take a couple of years sabbatical in some part of the world where these rights are still largely non-existent for women, say Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, in the hope that you might come back with a more informed, compassionate and balanced view., and maybe rename your blog.
Ah...I'd mistakenly believed you were dicussing western women. After all you were praising feminism, largely inaccurately, for winning all those western rights those Islamic cultures deny women(Of course you pick Islam. They are, after all, the enemy-de-jeur. All the best wartime propaganda relies on "what the evil enemy will do to womenfolk".) How do you stand on the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan by the way?
I'd suggest you apply a bit of rational scepticism to the ideology. Don't take my word for anything. But please, also, don't just simply believe what feminism promotes. Ask yourself from time to time "What if they're wrong?"
Here's a challenge for you. Provide an example of feminist advocacy in the past twenty five years that was not demanding different treatment based on gender.
Richard Morgan said...
To Simon:
I wasn't talking to you, fuckwit.
Go away and learn to spell, and to make coherent sense in English (your post for Feb 3rd is appalling on both counts) and we might have a conversation. Though intelligent discourse doesn't appear (as near as I can make out from your English) what you are interested in.
This from a person who just previous to that put together a one hundred and sixty eight word sentence. Even on a good day I couldn't manage that.
KellyMac
Where is my last post?
Simon,
I posted everything I had. It must have been lost in cyberspace. Could you submit it again?
I published my email address in the right-hand column of km.adamsspace.com. If you haven't visited since I did, I'll give it to you here:
kelly.ladymac@gmail.com
Thank you for your understanding, KellyMac, I will post it again later when I have the time.
Continue your good work, I have sent your blog to a few female friends who are career women, and has help them open their eyes.
I'm very sorry you were sexually abused, gwallan, it's a horrific thing for anyone to suffer, but it doesn't give you a pass where logic is concerned. The fact of your sexual abuse doesn't refute my point about spousal rape. Nor does the fact that Pankhurst was a militant (and clearly misguided) patriot negate the justice of the suffragettes' cause. William Wilberforce campaigned to abolish slavery; he also furiously resisted legal initiatives to humanise working practices in British factories including his own. This latter fact does not make slavery any more acceptable, or its abolition any less admirable a cause.
For the rest, your post is a patchwork of similar non sequiturs, wildly generalised assertions, personal anecdote and simple lies (or possibly simple ignorance) sewn together with our old pal incoherent rage. A few brief examples to back that up:
On the right to work without male permission, you state:
"Rubbish. In my country - Australia - this was NEVER the case."
Well, bully for Australia. In Spain (a significant western nation you may have heard of), it WAS the case well into the post war era. See how your own personal experience doesn't cover the whole planet?
On equal pay:
"Equal pay is, and has been, a reality throughout the west since the seventies.... THERE IS NO PAY GAP."
Again, false. I live in a city (Glasgow, UK) whose council is one among many teetering on the brink of bankruptcy because the European Court has handed down a judgement that all cases where women have (illegally) received lesser remuneration for equal duties must be paid out. The list of women so treated runs into tens, possibly hundreds of thousands, the elapsed periods of failure to comply are of years, sometimes decades, and the amounts of money add up to millions, possibly billions. See how the paperwork you handle in your job doesn't cover the whole planet? And of course, your comment also begs the question of what was going on BEFORE the seventies, and how the legal changes were brought about (by feminist activism, as I believe I stated).
On feminism itself:
"Modern feminism is a creation of the most idle, the most privileged group of human beings who have ever lived - white western women."
Heard of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, have you? Angela Davis? Alice Walker? Pat Parker? Arundhati Roy? Irshad Manji? (Do I need to list every significant feminist whose skin is not white?) Or is it just that none of them live in Australia, pass by you in your work, or were friends with your grandmother?
On abortion:
"Again a right since the seventies. There are probably very few fertile woman alive in the western world who could ever have been denied an abortion."
In Ireland (another significant western nation you may have heard of), it is STILL extremely difficult for a woman to obtain an abortion - most choose to leave the country and have the procedure in the UK. A recent high profile case involved a legal attempt by Irish authorities to prevent a young woman from travelling for this very purpose. And again, the fact these freedoms have been become more readily available in some countries since the seventies does not negate the fact that before that period, they weren't, or that it was feminists who spearheaded the campaign to make those changes.
On university entry for women:
"Feminists did not win university entrance for women or the right to earn a degree. They did not win women the right to enter the professions. Those rights existed.'
Eh? Those rights existed WHEN? Since Magna Carta? Since the US Declaration of Independence? Since the Garden of Eden? Those rights did NOT exist for women until the nineteenth (for a very lucky few) and twentieth centuries. Since universities have existed in Europe since around the end of the first millenium, that's some fucking lag.
Couple of other things:
"Ah...I'd mistakenly believed you were discussing western women."
Well, yes, your mistake. Read the post first. Brain in gear, then open mouth.
"After all you were praising feminism, largely inaccurately, for winning all those western rights those Islamic cultures deny women(Of course you pick Islam. They are, after all, the enemy-de-jeur. All the best wartime propaganda relies on "what the evil enemy will do to womenfolk"."
Enemy-de-jour. Uhm - so there IS no abuse of women's rights in those countries? Or there is but I shouldn't criticise it? Poor picked upon Islamic culture? Or is it that you kind of like the way they handle their womenfolk there? Your point is.....what, exactly?
And finally - you erudite thing, you - we come to the great universal suffrage experiments of the newly independent US that you mention. Well, what about those rights? Repealed and abolished before the century was out, and only regained after a further century or more (depending on state) of bitter feminist struggle. Some would say (though I don't necessarily) that this reversal represents a MORE savage indictment of male dominated society than the slow but unreversed progress towards suffrage elsewhere. And it's worth pointing out that during this period New Jersey also gave suffrage to black citizens, but that didn't last either, and I don't think anyone would use the bare fact that it happened to claim that the civil rights movement and black activism in the twentieth century was in some way invalid. Or perhaps you would - it's hard to tell.
Like I said, I'm really sorry you've suffered, man. But that won't write you a ticket to bend my ear with incoherent bollocks.
Never speak spanish to a portuguese its insulting, if you want to know, study portuguese history.
Femenism is a social engeniering tool to create instability and cause change in society to serve a certain agenda, its a political idea its anti-natura, agaisnt nature because it tries to forcebly change natural gender roles, "femanisme" is lesbianism concealed, it tries to induce women into unnatural roles to their condition:
“Woman is a violent and uncontrolled animal, and it is useless to let go the reins and then expect her not to kick over the traces. You must keep her on a tight rein . . . Women want total freedom or rather - to call things by their names - total license. If you allow them to achieve complete equality with men, do you think they will be easier to live with? Not at all. Once they have achieved equality, they will be your masters . . .” — Cato the Elder 234-149 B.C. quoted in Livy’s ‘History of Rome’.
The ancients already knew this.
Nature does not change because the calendar changes or because we have computers or hitech gadgets to make our life easy.
Women today are being denied their natural rights, to have a family, to care for husband and sons.
Today women are free only to harm themselves.
The "politicaly correct" term was created in the 1920s in the soviet union to put everyone thinking the same way and create "equality" "acceptance" and "tolerance" try to give diferent opinion and you will lose your job, your house and jailed without trial.
Femanism was created to serve a political agenda that slouly is showing its real face, and its not pretty.
I forgot another thing:
The islamic world knows what is happening and they dont want the same chaos we have in their homes.
I know a few islamics men and women and let me tell you, the women are not "slaves" as they are portraid in the media, they are highly inteligent and cult and traditional women who help their husbands and being their best friend and companion.
Islamic women are women of faith , some choose to ware th hijab, cover themselves to protect themselves and maintain their dignity and faith, they do not behave as their western sisters, they behave with honor and are ladies in the true sense of the word.
For KellyMac:
With regard to Simon.......I rest my case. Behold his true colours. Looks like he'll need that time machine I mentioned, but set even further back, for ancient Rome. Or maybe the Kandahar airdrop thing would work - he seems kind of keen on purdah.
Good to see him come clean about what he wants from the other half of humanity. I admit I didn't expect the mask to come off so easily or quickly. But I'm afraid I find it rather hard to stomach the company of barbarians, even honest ones, so I'm off.
I do wonder, KellyMac, how many other fans of your site will resemble Simon once you scratch the surface, or if you now see the extent to which you're swimming with sharks. Watch your back!
Cheers. It's been illuminating.
A woman against feminism......
Whether you are against feminism because of the damage feminists cause to families, the staggering array of entitlements and special protections provided by feminists lobbying corrupt politicians and judges, or because you have ethical concerns about the fourth-class citizenship bestowed upon men.........
......... you have my interest, KellyMac.
And for the record, I had to laugh at the mindless vitriol spewed by "anonymous" whose claim that she "loves men" is a bit at odds with her apparent dislike for women like yourself who ACTUALLY "love men".
My guess is that she's just another man-hater, indoctrinated by the feminazis.
"You are an absolute scab who only derides and degrades herself with such nonesense. All to achieve male approval? Is that the only way you define yourself?
I love men.I have a great partner and a beautiful son. I also happen to be finishing a university degree, which I made the decision to do in order to give my wonderful family a better quality of life. I work so hard every day for the men I love and respect, but I demand and deserve respect in return as an equal.Not as a gender. As a person.
But you?
Women like you are worse than bigots. Did you have to ask a man to unhook your Burka so you could write the blog? Did you make sure and ask him nicely?
Go and develop some respect for yourself and then maybe you wont need to drop to such a level to win male respect in the future, you are truly vile."
This post drips with bigoted hatred - although the person writing it probably thinks they are quite "enlightened." What a horror this woman must be to live with. I bet she must go through a lot of "D" batteries, if you catch my drift, as no man worth his salt would have anything to do with this shrill harpy.
"Feminists fought, suffered and in some cases died so that you could take the constellation of rights above for granted. It's very sad that you are either so uninformed or so bitterly prejudiced that you are unable to acknowledge and feel pride in or gratitude for their sacrifices."
Another man hating bigot - this time a man!
How many MEN have died for women? I'm sure in the eyes of this ballless wimp, they don't count. Hey jackass, did it ever occur to you that as "feminism" has grown, the USA has gone increasingly into a downward spiral? The USA needs her men now more than ever, but you've gone on permanent vacation.
I am not native English speaker, but I see, that critics of this blog understand less than me. Critics arguments are schematic and aim target teached before by some ideologists which target probably newer exist. Thay fight against opinions never presented on this blogs, and theirs own opinions are vague like "do you know what was going on for centures" (lest say I don't: than I didnt learn it from local oponents) "do you know how woman struggled for rights" (lest say I don't: than I didnt learn it from local oponents).
Than you for this blog, I thing you are more masculist than antifeminist and we nead you and people like you so much. :-)
http://www.maskulizm.org
I am not native English speaker, but I see, that critics of this blog understand less than me. Critics arguments are schematic and aim target teached before by some ideologists which target probably newer exist. Thay fight against opinions never presented on this blogs, and theirs own opinions are vague like "do you know what was going on for centures" (lest say I don't: than I didnt learn it from local oponents) "do you know how woman struggled for rights" (lest say I don't: than I didnt learn it from local oponents).
Than you for this blog, I thing you are more masculist than antifeminist and we nead you and people like you so much. :-)
Anybody else getting sick of condescending feminists who believe their view is the only one that is "socially just"? The unmitigated hubris of this pseudo-intellectual set is truly staggering.
I mean, where else will you find a "smart" guy that refuses to see what's right in front of his face, only after being told it's true by Academics or Statisticians can a point be held valid.
Bullshit.
Mexican men no longer have the right to refuse women sex, refusal can be, and is, called "Domestic Abuse".
How do your feminist sensibilites mesh with THAT one Richard?
'cause it was brought in at the behest of a feminist lobby group.
I could keep going, but the mountain of hypocrisy coming from you would be stifling...
The link in this post does not work.
Are you still writing a blog?
and if so where is it?
What happened? Every time I click onto te new link to Kellymac's site it simply says "Forbidden." Hope to hear from you soon Kellymac.
-Dan
Nothing can hit the vague cult of feminism harder than a female writing against it :-)
Kudos to you...
Hey Btw, the new link you gave here doesn't open, giving 403 Forbidden error...
Have a look at
http://thebattlefieldoflove.blogspot.com/
and at www.1party4all.co.uk for men's rights issues that I am dealing with.
Your views on the Domestic Partnership invited.
Hello KellyMac
I'm from the german speaking part of the MRA-movement and you have my full support. It is interesting to see that the difficulties which men face today are not as transparent to all women as it seemed at the beginnning of the journey.
@ Richard: As far as I can recall is this blog about men's rights and against the man-hating part of feminism.
Oh and by the way, I'd really like to see YOUR German ...
Greetings,
Manifold
Die Söhne von Perseus
http://sonsofperseus.blogspot.com
your new blog site doesn't seem to work. how about it?
I tried the link, but it went to a forbiddne page.
I agree with a lot of you stuff. As a man I believe feminism is becoming a real problem. There are a lot of loser who disagree with you. Some of them being pussy-whipped men. Men and women are part of a balance. There should be equality but in a world there is also differences and that should be respected. Women are often miserable not having courtship, etc.
I don't want to get too much into it but I admire the work you are doing.
It's sad how many women and men here didn't actually understand what the author of this blog was trying to say.
She totally approves of the strides women made this century.
She also thinks it has gone too far in some places. And in some ways men have always not been equal and that is still true.
Anonymous before this post: you disgust me and many other people. How disgraceful your attack. How ignorant your words, you clearly read nothing that is written here before jumping to conclusions about what its content.
It is a grand shame that the comments here are apparently no longer moderated. Many of them just feed the fire that is sexism while trying to do the opposite. So just trolls really.
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I would argue that you are not anti-feminist, you are against the culture of victimhood, lack of ethics, and refusing to take responsibility that has arisen around feminism. (i.e. women abuse men, not just the other way around; women may also be a destructive parent, not just men; both men and women have been known to be lazy, unethical, cruel, vindictive; if women want more financial power they must also be willing to take the corresponding additional financial responsibility; the most qualified candidate should be given the job/spot in law school/etc; both men and women should be held to standards of dress code and non-harassment at work and in life).
I think there are key feminist principles that are still important and relevant in our lives: equal pay for equal work, women having the right to have their own bank account, women not being owned by their fathers or husbands, women being able to vote, women and men being punished equally for the same wrongs - ie adultery, women being able to choose whether or not to have babies. many women in history and many women today did/do not have these things. these things are the important victories of feminism, and it's a shame that the culture of victimhood has overshadowed these victories.
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Richard Morgan is your typical woman-whipped, bitch- (you can't use female, because it has female as a derivative!) indoctrinated limey-Brit fuck! I used this last four-letter word just for you Richard, because you seem to have such a fondness for it. Your comments and posts are just what I would expect from a member of the ever-increasingly unmanly class of British "males!" I can't be too tough on you, because you were probably doing your posting in the milli-second intervals you had available before another one of the approximately 20 million cameras your country employs against it's own people was trained on you! That's why your country of unmanly anus boys has been least britain for the last hundred years, instead of Great Britain! You're so prpoagandized and brain-washed by the five million man-hating "female" practitioners of cunnilingus (I'll wait while you pull out your dictionary of sexual terms, and learn to read them) that you are'nt even aware of your own precarious plight! For at least 100 years, one-world, secret-society, lesbian and homosexual jews have controlled the entire western world! They've never had the cajones to fight us in the streets, so they're trying to conquer us from within by destroying the fabric of our proud western society, culture, and heritage! After these half communist, half corpo-pirates conquer the western world, we'll all be serfs slaving on a one-world plantation which is completely ruled, dominated, and administered by women, greedy boardroom bandits, communists, lesbians, homosexuals, and other hateful and evil secret-society jews! Sixty thousand (remember, they under-count, and they never count the secret-operative K.I.A.'s) Americans died in the war in Vietnam, which was a civil war. Of those sixty thousand, eight were female! I was forced to fight in that war, under pain of somebody being forced to go in my place, court-martial, prison,or even death! Throughout history, males, not females have been forced to do most of the work, especially the hard, dirty, dangerous, and potentially fatal work. To even a pitiful victim of birth hypoxia like Richard Morgan, that should explain why men are sometimes paid more than women. When the work that men do is harder and more dangerous, is done with greater care and quality, and requires many more hours than the work done by women, don't those facts demand that men be paid more than women? Ancillary to this, but still germane, is the fact that men and boys continue to be forced to pay for everything by women and girls, and are rejected into oblivion when we raise our voices in protest! Don't these greedy, male-hating "females" believe that our male bodies, faces, company, and sexuality are as good as theirs? Yet, they continue to give only lip-service to females doing equal work, risking rejection, and paying their fair share financially on dates, and in other venues! Muslim men world-wide have seen what's happened to males in the western world. Do you think that they want that fate to befall themselves, their sons, their countries, and their Islamic religion and culture? At almost sixty, and with bad knees and eyes, I'm too sick to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan, but I hope to hell the Muslims, Taliban, and Al Quaida win! If they don't, I see only a miserable future devoid of joy and equality for all males, worldwide! By the way, Richard Morgan, Simon's English is far better than your Spanish Portuguese, which probably took you two weeks of intensive studying to learn! I guess I'll let you go. I know you're anxious to mince over to the ladies room, so that you can replace your tampon, and adjust your vagina!
Richard Morgan is your typical woman-whipped, bitch- (you can't use female, because it has female as a derivative!) indoctrinated limey-Brit fuck! I used this last four-letter word just for you Richard, because you seem to have such a fondness for it. Your comments and posts are just what I would expect from a member of the ever-increasingly unmanly class of British "males!" I can't be too tough on you, because you were probably doing your posting in the milli-second intervals you had available before another one of the approximately 20 million cameras your country employs against it's own people was trained on you! That's why your country of unmanly anus boys has been least britain for the last hundred years, instead of Great Britain! You're so prpoagandized and brain-washed by the five million man-hating "female" practitioners of cunnilingus (I'll wait while you pull out your dictionary of sexual terms, and learn to read them) that you are'nt even aware of your own precarious plight! For at least 100 years, one-world, secret-society, lesbian and homosexual jews have controlled the entire western world! They've never had the cajones to fight us in the streets, so they're trying to conquer us from within by destroying the fabric of our proud western society, culture, and heritage! After these half communist, half corpo-pirates conquer the western world, we'll all be serfs slaving on a one-world plantation which is completely ruled, dominated, and administered by women, greedy boardroom bandits, communists, lesbians, homosexuals, and other hateful and evil secret-society jews! Sixty thousand (remember, they under-count, and they never count the secret-operative K.I.A.'s) Americans died in the war in Vietnam, which was a civil war. Of those sixty thousand, eight were female! I was forced to fight in that war, under pain of somebody being forced to go in my place, court-martial, prison,or even death! Throughout history, males, not females have been forced to do most of the work, especially the hard, dirty, dangerous, and potentially fatal work. To even a pitiful victim of birth hypoxia like Richard Morgan, that should explain why men are sometimes paid more than women. When the work that men do is harder and more dangerous, is done with greater care and quality, and requires many more hours than the work done by women, don't those facts demand that men be paid more than women? Ancillary to this, but still germane, is the fact that men and boys continue to be forced to pay for everything by women and girls, and are rejected into oblivion when we raise our voices in protest! Don't these greedy, male-hating "females" believe that our male bodies, faces, company, and sexuality are as good as theirs? Yet, they continue to give only lip-service to females doing equal work, risking rejection, and paying their fair share financially on dates, and in other venues! Muslim men world-wide have seen what's happened to males in the western world. Do you think that they want that fate to befall themselves, their sons, their countries, and their Islamic religion and culture? At almost sixty, and with bad knees and eyes, I'm too sick to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan, but I hope to hell the Muslims, Taliban, and Al Quaida win! If they don't, I see only a miserable future devoid of joy and equality for all males, worldwide! By the way, Richard Morgan, Simon's English is far better than your Spanish Portuguese, which probably took you two weeks of intensive studying to learn! I guess I'll let you go. I know you're anxious to mince over to the ladies room, so that you can replace your tampon, and adjust your vagina!
Hello. I tried to follow the link to your new location, but the link is broken.
I wish you well in your pursuit of justice for all. :-)
I am currently in my last year of school and am to complete a personal interest project (pip) on any topic of interest.
I have chosen and begun the topic:
Has Feminism failed us all?
In means of ethnocentrism, bias, sexism and prejudice I research this topic without judgement of opinions etc. Merely to receive answers to the views of the modern/past generations of whether the initial goals of feminism have succeeded; yet more than that (as evidently they have, listed by R.Morgan) these are all very true and important points.
Additionally, the differences in culture/countries i.e the western world are in fundamentally opposite ends of progress in equality therefore this topic is based upon the western societies.
what i would like to know, is primarily if anyone would be interested in an interview; which would be conducted over email as it is the easiest/safest way to do so.
to be considered for those who would like to contribute:
The past generations of feminist followers and leaders have proved to significantly advantage womens strive for equality. However, in this modern day has feminism (minutely-largely) began to enforce an inequality to sexes? Has feminism began to disadvantage both men and women?
some men are becoming targeted, no doubt, for 'sexism'. Like all concepts and theories feminism has a good motif, yet when MODERNLY put into practice, is it disadvantaging society as a whole?
I completely understand, such oppinions as R.Morgan; and i am in no means objecting to these conclusions. Yet it would be highly beneficial for those such as yourself to participate as i would like to dechipher whether those so strongly pro-feminism such as yourself, could see a negative affect of its modern uptaking.
for those interested in an interview you can contact me on
is.gillespie@hotmail.com
thank you
To KellyMac:
Re:http://www.km.adamsspace.com/
I clicked the link to go to where the blog was moved,but I get the following message:
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Is there a problem with your new site, or is the problem on my side?
Nice posts, Richard. This person is clearly batty and your comments help set the record straight. I think the majority would agree.
I love how this blog is both sexist and ageist against youth. Well done!
Also, there is more than two genders and some women don't have a vagina, thanks.
Still, I find that dangerous saying any woman saying she isn't a feminist should be denied rights won to her by feminists. When most people say that, they mean they aren't activists or it isn't part of their work, not that they are against feminism and wished it never existed. It's just they don't really know what it means or don't feel like they deserve the name, at least for the ladies I know.
I followed the link but there's nothing there..!
Richard ur a mangina...lol
I am a russian woman and I am surprised that at list one american woman the writer of this blog has a courage to stand up against Feminism going too far.
In Russia women enjoyed equal rights and obligations with man sins October Revolution of 1917. My mom hated man, my grandmother hated man as well. For them: man are inferior beasts something like a dog, if they speak it's strange and unusual. As consequence of it Russia has the mass alcoholism, incarceration, unemployment, homelessness, terrorism, mafia, rape, domestic violence and the man expectancy of life is only 56 years old. Russian woman emigrate to the other countries with a hope to find a man to have a child with.
So I did it too. At the age of 24 being disappointed enough in russian man, I left my motherland of Feminist Paradise and married an american man. He was like a Blue Prince for me for 16 years of our marriage until he was silly enough to go back from Europe to U.S. Nothing in his life he regrets more now. But unfortunately he cant go back now, he is lucked in Federal Prison as sex offender for years. His life, carrier, dignity and fatherhood destroyed for forever... and I lost my husband. And all of it happened because of the dark side of American Feminism.
I am thinking to start my blog called The Dark Side of American Feminism. What do you think shall I do it ore I risk to be crucified by American Feminists?
"...remember, you can be a corporate CEO, but to a man that is not as much use."
Well, thank goodness that I am a human being, not a tool that strives to be nothing more than "useful" to men.
Wow - absolutely everything you just posted was a denial of recorded historical fact, proven factual data, or a complete fabricated lie! Hahaha. You're really something else!
Fancy meeting you here
Rof L Mao Esq
Just to let you know that Symantec and O2 now censor this site and defame it as "hateful".
See the following for full info:
http://therightsofman.typepad.co.uk/the_rights_of_man/2013/03/now-official-o2-and-symantec-believe-helping-male-victims-of-domestic-violence-and-sex-abuse-is-hate.html
Your writings are brave, fact-based, interesting and a little bit of fresh air in an atmosphere so polluted with stinking man-hatred and female privilege.
It is becoming so necessary to see and hear women that do not surrender to self-indulgence and stupidity, when many men have bought the lies of self-hating.
It is a pity there is no contimuation of this blog. But thanks anyway.
You sound upset because you just got educated. Might wanna check your attitude a bit when people are delivering facts to you because your anger won't change the truth. Mind writing a rebuttal to what he said instead of your short angry reply? No? Oh, because you don't have any ground to stand on :)
Fuck off you hateful feminist cunt.
Inaccuracies in your quotes:
Catherine McKinnon & Andrea Dworkin never made those comments about men & rape its an urban myth (look up the section about them on Myth busting website Snopes.com)
Marilyn French never said men are rapists a character in a book she wrote did
Sharon Stone said she has the power to hurt men. How is that man-hating? She never said she uses that power or wants to
Germaine Greer said men feel more comfortable in prison. Again how is that man-hating? She never said that's how it should be or she wants men in jail
Valerie Solanas is a criminal FFS. Thats like quoting Marc Lepine as an example of what the average MRA is like
You asked for pro-male feminists quotes so here are a few:
Jaclyn Friedman:GMP is promoting idea most guys are rapists this isn't only insulting, it’s untrue. Most men aren’t rapists. It’s us “scary” “radical” feminists that believe in good men
Jane Galvin Lewis: You don't have to be anti-man to be pro-woman
Betty Friedan: Men weren't really the enemy - they were fellow victims suffering
Sam Killerman: Feminism isn't misandry
Jezebel (feminist website): Most feminists don't hate men
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